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Sending nuts emails to that server himself. >> julie: first of all, i think when the president of the united states sends an immobile somebody i'm not sure he knows what the server is. so i believe it at that. but let's be very careful here. we have a new administration coming in. i just want to be very clear that if we are talking about things like bowe bergdahl as a scandal, the iranian deal is a scandal, which again, it's a policy difference but i'm not sure it's a scandal. >> what word would you choose for it? >> julie: i would use controversial, i would not say scandal. a scandal is huge ...

More of this unraveling of just civility and the basic way business has been done. it's like peeling off layers of the onion. it gets worse and worse and worse with each successive congress. >> is it unraveling democratic party trying to figure out what to do? >> right. anderson, i've been through a number of these confirmation situations and it's almost always exactly as dana just described it. they have a policy difference with nominee a, b or c. they don't want to say they have already said that. we don't want obama care repealed but they are not going to touch that. they are going to go af...

I think his priorities are way off balance. >> david, is there daylight? >> there is daylight, and again, to andre's point, i understand why israel's pushing back on this. the speech from kerry today was a pushback. it was exposing a policy difference. i was just really -- the idea this was condescending, a 72-minute speech that outlined in detail what the obama administration position is, or kerry state department position is, very clearly and methodically i don't think is condesce condescending. they explained why they abstained on this vote. >> andre, you want to weigh in? >> well, i think ...

Hand that way. however, showing anything other than a policy difference between mr. tillerson and his critics, i don't see that there is anything more there. it is a policy disagreement of the utility of sanctions. sometime they do work, sometimes they don't. >> do you think he will be picked? >> i don't know. i am an adviser on the system but not privilegety to these considerations. i have no idea. >> we will see what happens, probably this back we are hearing but we will see who gets the nod. ambassador james woolsey, former director of the c.i.a. always good to see you. >> ambassador woolse...

Apologize. it is hard to imagine how it would -- some version of that would not have to happen. he basically said he did not think of his as fit, donald trump as fit to be president and he would be working for him. there is another layer of issues beside the personal acrimony. there's the policy difference. as a candidate in 2012, mitt romney's principle foreign policy critique of president obama was he was being too soft on russia and the reset was a failure. certainly if there's any indication from donald trump as he has said over and over, he wants a closer relationship with russia. there i...