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Rallies against pelosi. that's one approach. the second approach is there were members that were recently elected who ran on, i will vote for someone else -- >> i think we have a wall behind me. i don't know if we can get it. some of the new members are on it. these are folks who said they oppose her candidacy and i will point out marcia fudge who met with her and she's a six-term -- >> now you have donald trump's fan i want nancy pelosi to be speaker of the house and these folks ran on i will vote for someone else rather than pelosi. >> there are those in the progressive wing of the party who...

Interesting to me about the kavanaugh debate, the kavanaugh allegations against him is, there are a lot of suspicions against him about whether or not he ever had memory loss, about whether or not he's not telling the truth or being completely forthcoming about what his yearbook jokes meant. it doesn't seem to me that any of that necessarily, especially when it comes to the memory loss, can be proven. and if you can't prove -- and i get this is not a court of law, but if you can't prove that he's not telling the truth, is that enough, even though i know you opposed him on policy grounds, is th...

Away security clearances. let me just add quickly, senator mark warner has proposed legislation that would essentially, as i understand it, prohibit the revocation of a clearance on policy grounds or on expression of first amendments. i think that's the sort of thing congress ought to do and essentially that was what john brennan was calling for yesterday. >> and we should also point out, of course, that john brennan is a national security analyst for nbc news and msnbc as well. thank you. avrvril and jeff, thank you for coming in today. coming up -- the sins of the fathers. pope francis bre...

He has said the media is as much an opponent of ours, meaning him and his base, as the democratic party or those oppose on policy grounds. which takes the role of a free press and puts it in really significant jeopardy think. >> jon you know this next question is coming. what if we need to say to the american people, no, this next portion of the story is getting consequential for our country, our presidency and our constitution and this isn't fake at all. in fact, it hasn't been more real? >> well, it's the perniciousness of the strategy. he has wounded the plaemessenge. he's opened fire on th...

Court is not holding that dhs cannot terminate the program, it's holding that you didn't give us a sufficient reason. >> the administration claims then president obama did not have the constitutional authority to start the daca program, that claim is not enough, that claiming a prior policy is illegal with the, quote, hodgepodge of i logical policy assertions simply will not do and if the department of homeland security wands to rescind the program it must give a rational explanation for its decision. dhs provided memo explaining their decision but that the memo, quote, failed to elaborate mea...