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How does this play? >> it's convenient timing i'll say, for one thing. that president obama suddenly has taken an interest after saying he would take care of it in his first term and now before the election he is expediting this. i personally think the people should be given amnesty, as ronald reagan did. $465 is a lot of money for somebody who is pretty poor probably. this is the best that obama can do, i'll take it. but i think it's pretty weak. >> bret: charles? >> constitutionally it's an abomination. politically, it's a stroke of genius. on the poll analysis, itself, you can argue -- poli...

Charleston, south carolina. he's here. welcome all of you. sort of an amazing exchange the other day between the white house chief of staff jack lou and cnn. she asked a basic question, what's in the documents at the core of the debate over fast and furious. they've said to the white house, tell us know what you know about the scandal, and he was held in contempt. this was the answer the white house chief of staff gave. >> were there things in the document that involved consultation with the president? is that why you invoked -- >> there was insight in all the decisions made up to the point of...

Charleston, south carolina. he's here. welcome all of you. sort of an amazing exchange the other day between the white house chief of staff jack lou and cnn. she asked a basic question, what's in the documents at the core of the debate over fast and furious. they've said to the white house, tell us know what you know about the scandal, and he was held in contempt. this was the answer the white house chief of staff gave. >> were there things in the document that involved consultation with the president? is that why you invoked -- >> there was insight in all the decisions made up to the point of...

Show talk about the process, the process -- >> capitol hill, right. >> is this in fact the right thing to do -- >> i asked him directly, are republicans, is what mitt romney outlined in the republican primary a sufficient answer for republicans -- >> they're going to have to say more about what the policy itself, and i'm sure they're trying to figure out, and marco rubio, the fastest rising hispanic political star in american politics today, whatever he says in his statement today was kind of on the one hand, on the other hand, whatever he says, the fact that this is a policy he was pursuing g...

Kind of a subset of what's happening to our national defense more generally. the president is engaged in a similarly blind, i think, idealogically-driven effort to disarm this country. and a lot of it's been dressed up was budget discipline and reducing the deficit and so on, but i think really as this example makes so clear he's about cutting our capabilities to deter aggression, and in the process i'm afraid inviting more of it in the interest of advancing what is a foolish, radical and ultimately quite dangerous ideological agenda. jenna: so two questions, one ideological and one when it co...