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Really come up with some ideas and messages and have a conversation with voters that is interesting enough that we're aboctually talking about that a well. i'm not saying it is easy, but it is imperative because we can't have a second -- >> democrats have to figure out how to walk and chew gum at the same time. they have to rebut and offer something else. it is not enough to think that people are going to vote for them just because they are voting against trump. they got to give them to run towards. >> is the health care thing they're pushing, is that an example of what could work? >> they cer...

I think on the policy matters he doesn't do that well on policy, but there are some policies that are safer to talk about, tax policy right now is pretty safe to talk about. health care policy definitely not safe to talk about. when the conversation turns to health care policy just talk about russia. >> trump benefits from the constant cloud of controversy. he benefits from that because it is not about a policy conversation where he is more vulnerable. >> the lowest point in his presidency was during the heat of the health care debate because the conversation was more about an unpopular policy...

But drawing attention to conservative message, 4 point plan. our strong support for the second amendment. to plans that we have to take okay public safety reform. tracking deport criminal aliens stopping and dismantling gangs. it's beening there how many people will come up to me and give me one of the lines in our last commercial or two. pete: brian, i love the political incorrectness and good humor. i get that an add like that is get to you stand out with a lot of candidates. you would acknowledge it's not upon a private citizen to round up illegal its and take them home yourself in your tru...

On the economic gains the american people are enjoying. the democrats are the ones that have to use russia and extend out the investigations because they can't run on a policy message. they will lose there every time. >> jon: you think all of this potential headlines about manafort and gates and russia and so forth all of that is just noise that voters are going to ignore? >> i would compare all of that to monica lewinsky and ken starr and the activities that surrounded bill clinton in 1998. petime dealing with a special counsel would bring down the democratic party. the reality was republican...

Popcorn not steak. and they are clinging to this and they are clinging to these notions because they just don't want what's happening to be real. that's bad for them but also bad for the country because it keeps them out of the kinds of discussions that you saw yesterday where you get them around the people and people can actually talk. >> katie: marie, what about that point though? we have to many down to substance. what do you think americans think accusations may or may not be true. salacious and dramatic rather than talking about policies which effect everyday people's lives. >lives. >> ma...