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Immigration. he keeps talking about immigration, keeps talking about healthcare, astoundingly, keeps talking a lot about healthcare. your reaction to those two policy points. >> the immigration thing, i will say when it comes to democrats we had some people coming out saying, right, that they were going to abolish i.c.e. that's not going to work with an independent new voter base because that's not something that energizes them. it does energize the base, though, those two issues are things that will continue to energize both, i believe, republicans and democrats, but to liz's point you've got...

Flesched out as a human being i have become because of that. >> what is the sort of -- what is the block in terms of the efficacy of politics, particularly at the sort of basic mundane level of registering and going to vote, right? like the problems are huge and massive and life and death. the actions you take are these small little minuscule parts of a larger thing, like a lot of people need to vote to change those. but taking that action is important. how do you communicate that? >> a lot of issues that we talk about, also being on the summer tour i learned a lot about my country. i learned ...

And i cannot stress how much of a different person -- how much more grown i am and more flesched out as a human being i have become because of that. >> what is the sort of -- what is the block in terms of the efficacy of politics, particularly at the sort of basic mundane level of registering and going to vote, right? like the problems are huge and massive and life and death. the actions you take are these small little minuscule parts of a larger thing, like a lot of people need to vote to change those. but taking that action is important. how do you communicate that? >> a lot of issues that w...

Would carry that kind of position. >> the president is playing coy saying simply we have a number of people who would like to do it and calling it a more gram ro -- glamorous position nikki ha >> glamorous. it is about role work, and we need to have someone up there who's plugging away. i think regardless of one's positions and views of her position policies, she did work hard at the u.n., and she did engender support from the people who worked for her as someone who was diligent in getting the job done in the administration. >> you've got two policy points that have come up here in the discus...

Whether it's given lethal arms toukrainians, embrace iing the energy revolution here at home which is not good for the russians depending on high energy costs or opposing very vociferously the pipe liline, t single most important russian initiative in europe. president trump has consistently blasted the germans for embracing that project. this weird disconnect and it's not going away. >> is it em boldening the russians? is there a sense from people you're speaking with and this is giving them a little bit more power? >> yes. obviously. and you know, rich is right about all those policy points....