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Presidential writer for gej w. bush. richard fowler is a nationally syndicated radio host. thank you for being here both. mark why? >> yeah the silence from president obama is deafening. he had plenty to say when it came to tray martin, michael brown and freddie gray but all of the sudden the president is tongue tied. he's got nothing to say. why is that? in all of the other cases he had liberal policy points that he wanted to make about gun control, about police bias about racial profiling. in this case he has no policy points he want to make because the policies that he supports are the ones...

In this celebrity culture we live in. he's got a big name. so that is going to reflect itself somewhat in the polls. i do think, ed once we get into really discussing issues and illegal immigration is certainly an issue that we need to talk about, that we need to debate. once we get into it and talk about what is your solution for these things? what is your plan? what are you going to do if you get elected? at a certain point you have to get off the talking points and get off just making outrageous statements and you have to actually have policy points and that is where i think you may see the...

They are unmoved by policy points and who would benefit and who would hurt by blocking this nomination and now it's leverage. i think they're talking about what you're talking about the human trafficking bill what precedent does this set for the next administration. >> we will hold nominees hostage because the republicans want to block this. get something in return. who is -- >> that's politics. >> we could go ahead with her nomination. there could be discussion on this bill it does not have to be an either/or thing. >> they are moving ahead with some nominees while they're on this bill. they ...

People would have screamed. and now these guys are yelling fwhaz listened to bez and gave them some more time. and they're accusing them of not following the law. it's just browrong. >> republicans keep talking about replacing the law, but when gop aid told "talking points memo" as far as repeal and replace goes, the problem with replace is that if you really want people to have these new benefits, it looks a hell of a lot like the affordable care act. i mean, are republicans backed into a corner here, michelle? >> absolutely. it's one thing to talk about repealing it. but they have not put fo...

Clearly the democratic party has. i'm wondering if there's a moment that can help to get behind it? >> in my opinion, occupy was more about how do we destroy hierarchies in any form. the message was, look, the power source is not washington, d.c. the power source is in new york city. these are the people calling the shots. i think in the wake of occupy it's shifted conversation and other groups have used that momentum to take up this struggle around minimum wage. i don't know that occupy is the group to do that. i think the momentum and spirit around direction action and occupations has spread...