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Everybody has to scramble to find the policy to fit the decision. but that is part of the problem here, right. >> sure. you look at this as a high end policy problem as a guy who escaped government sometime ago, i look at it and say this is when you need a pro in the white house. think of all the implications of who families are separate or together. think of all of the implications and think through. let me give you a handful i've been thinking of, do we vaccinate them and providing schooling and what about health, medical, dental care. what about somebody with a long-standing issue with, for...

Public opposes the family separation policy 2:1 if not more. as far as i can tell it is not the activists for the opposition that is desperate on the family separation issue. it is the administration, that backfired on them and they are backpedaling now and they want the focus to be on a few isolated incidents of outrageous rhetoric or death threats but the real focus should be the policy problem the trump administration created for it sells. shannon: stay with us, special tribute to our friend charles krauthammer next. napoleon is duping us! all around louisiana... you're a nincompoop! (phone...

Going against who we are as a country and by that i mean jailing babies, without having a process in place to actually make this draconian policy work well. work efficiently. the fact that 2300 of those children who were taken from their parents, the fact a lot of them might not be reunited with their parents, the fact the administration can't tell us where those children. the fact that kristen welker had to ask several times the homeland security secretary where are the girls. where are the children? and they don't have an answer. this is not a messaging policei. it's a policy problem and it'...

Better and differently. >> harris: what were they focused on? if there was different messaging from the administration and the white house early on. this is a defense of this from the attorney general based on the bible. president saying it is happening. i don't like it. i want to deal with it. other members of the administration saying it wasn't happening. >> john kelly making the argument they would use it as deterrent. kirstjen nielsen was asked if it's deterrent, she said she was offended by the question. it's partly a messaging problem and partly policy problem. this isn't they described ...

Coming. >> mayor bill de blasio of new york city, thank you for joining us live here on this show. cal perry, if you're still listening, thank you as well joining us. i want to bring in ginger and erin for the last final thoughts. where does this go? >> this is a policy problem that you talked about and we have to look at the politics of it. the president is trying to make this political. congress is now going to maybe struggle very hard to pass a bill and then they're all going to have to stand for re-election in november. people are watching and this is when people make their minds up abou...