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Context here when this story broke jared kushner is in the mid all of six stop trip to the middle east. he has plans to bring peace to the middle east. what kind of policy problems does this pose having this story broke now? >> the timing couldn't be a whole lot worse. one of the things that kushner was doing while he was on i had middle east tour was he was actually meeting with mohammad bin salman, the crown prince in saudi arabia. and there was no real indication yet again that the issue with the murder basically of the journalist jamal khashoggi in the saudi consulate in turkey was really ...

Jeremy, you first. we read your opinion piece and clearly you don't think howard schultz candidacy will necessarily hand the election to donald trump. tell me and really any democrats watching why. >> well, i think what we need this coming election is we need an issue focused election. there are some major policy problems in our society that are not getting addressed, they're getting a lot worse because of the current president and we need serious candidates as many as possible who will raise these issues, educate the public and force a serious debate about health care, about climate change, a...

By i.c.e. they're done by customs. >> bad fact, true. continue. >> border protection. look, i think abolish i.c.e. is one of these sort of catchy maybe ka that is rightic slogans and reflects the fact that many immigration facing agencies including i.c.e. and customs and border protection have done a lot of bad things. playinged by policy problems, cultural problems and institutional problems, many of which pre-date the administration, we should be clear. a lot of bad things happened under obama. but that said, the way to tackle these issues is not necessarily to just, like, blow uppen an agen...

By i.c.e. they're done by customs. >> bad fact, true. continue. >> border protection. look, i think abolish i.c.e. is one of these sort of catchy maybe ka that is rightic slogans and reflects the fact that many immigration facing agencies including i.c.e. and customs and border protection have done a lot of bad things. playinged by policy problems, cultural problems and institutional problems, many of which pre-date the administration, we should be clear. a lot of bad things happened under obama. but that said, the way to tackle these issues is not necessarily to just, like, blow uppen an agen...

Family separation policy about 2:1, if not more. as far as i could tell, it's not the activist, opposition that is just part of my family separations here, to me it is the administration that they made a policy decision that backfired on them. they are busy backpedaling now, and they want the focus to be on a few isolated incidents of outrageous rhetoric or death threats, but i think that the real focus should be on the policy problems of the trump administration grade for itself. >> shannon: good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> shannon: stay with us. special tribut...