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Research and bringing a lot of people from different places and coming up with what we thought was a good plan to really try to make progress. if you're a business guy, this doesn't really come up unless you have a personal experience. so we set up a meeting with the president, like with all policy processes, and we went through the issue. first we went through the statistics. we started explaining kind of the problem, how these people, you know, they obviously have problems, which is why they committed crimes in the first place. they leave prison with the scarlet letter of having a scarlet le...

When it comes to prison reform. you tackled that as well this morning and i want to will list a little bit of that sound. >> does the president actually care about this stuff? >> so when i finished my second phase, which was the strategy phase, i had one small problem, which is that i hadn't really spoken to the president about this yet. so that was after -- so that was after about a year of really research and bringing in a lot of people from different places and coming up with what we thought was a good plan to really try to make progress. and so because i serve, obviously, at the pleasure o...

About attitude for them? >> well, kim jong-un is a one-issue kind of leader for north korea, the u.s. is it. so kim has been preparing for this type of meeting since he was young. this is a meeting with a sitting u.s. president that his grandfather and father wanted. and kim 3.0 has actually achieved this. i want to piggyback on what nick was saying about the policy processes. i was there for making -- helping to prepare for the policy meetings when i was at the cia and preparing my principals for these meetings and they are important for coordination and to find out what the equities are of t...

Support him on his policies. as the president, one of his really important job responsibilities is to be a consensus-builder, and it's to bring people into his policy processes, especially on national security. a lot of talk this week about how the national security council is organized. now we are talking about whether certain departments and agencies were brought into this homeland security process that resulted in the eo. a look like they weren't. >> harris: and we got a new acting director at i.c.e., we saw him as well, thomas homan stepped up, because i changed yesterday as well. during t...

Overinfluence or potential for groups like the nra to intervene in our policy processes and elections in ways that seem unfair, that gets back to campaign finance reform, that gets back to things like citizens united and honestly, remember, the nra is less about the second amendment and more about gun manufacturers. it's really driven by people who sell guns to other people, and if you think about that, that's where it gets really sick. so i agree, at the state level, one way we may address this is through campaign finance reform, which is to say we could limit the ways in which groups like th...