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Has a chance to win, but the policy stuff, you can't sell that. >> and hillary clinton said you can't sell that in a general election. i think that's what 2020 will be like, can you sell it to the country? >> one thing trump exposed was that republicans had their assumptions about people's policy preferences reversed. they thought that middle america was fiscally conservative and socially liberal, and it's actually more the opposite, that people are more socially conservative and fiscally liberal. >> that's a great point. you mean the country is out ahead of washington. god forbid. we should h...

Against that, and if i run again, will the concrete be hard? >> they're not all completely tied to one another, but the key issues are issues that were thought to be on the fringe, issues that the clinton campaign was very wary of embracing at all, and they're central themes that we've seen in this candidate up to this point. they have to answer to all those positions and whether they back them. you heard biden say no one can question his bona fides, he's done all kinds of things on lgbt and different things than people are trying to peg him. but he is in a different lane with people who are s...

The united states has posed to the constitution, that he's doing things that are extraconstitutional or in their view anti-constitutional. he was saying i don't know if it can survive. that the question of the moment. on the other policy issues, you raise a good point that here is a guy who is young, coming in, not set in his ways on policy things and there are candidates who have some specific policy stuff. i don't know which will play out. shannon: i want to get eric for the final word. >> no question beto o'rourke uses the word empire, empire, to describe america. what is an empire to the h...

United states has posed to the constitution, that he's doing things that are extra constitutional or in their view anti-constitutional. he was saying i don't know if it can survive. that's the real question of the moment. on the other policy issues, i think he raised a good point that here's a guy that who's young coming in, not set in his ways on the policy things and there are candidates who have some very specific policy stuff. i don't know which will play out. >> shannon: i want to get eric in here. >> no question beto o'rourke, you'll notice in the quote, he uses the word empire. empire d...

Welcome back to "the van jones show." i'm talking to the former tallahassee mayor and florida gubernatorial candidate, andrew gillum. look, i got a lot of policy stuff i want to hear. climate change. i mean, florida is in tremendous risk. i mean, they show maps of florida where it's like, you know, half of it's gone. >> i'm beach front property, according to some of those maps. >> you're going to be propertyless, brother. so, what can be done when the president doesn't seem to care? >> well, first of all, i got to acknowledge that we had climate deniers in my state before we had donald trump o...