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Right? you get the deficit wrong, you get it right later. you get the tax system wrong, there's always next year. if you're looking back in 10 or 20 or 30 years, and you're really wishing you hadn't gotten that nuclear weapon policy wrong, you're in a pretty dark timeline, my friend. joining me now is joe, president of the plough share, global security foundation and a man trying to keep us out of a very dark timeline. joe, it's good to see you. >> my pleasure, ezra. thank you. >> what broke down in these talks? tell me where we were a few years ago that had people optimistic and what happened...

Scorsese-ian. the president wasn't tweeting about cohen's innocence. he was saying, no, he won't flip. >> this is a long relationship between these two men. at times it seems father/son. at times it can be quite acrimonious over the past decade. but cohen was not so much a legal mind at the side of businessman donald trump and then candidate donald trump. he was a political adviser, a media adviser, a relationship builder. i remember during the beginning of the presidential campaign process in 2015, he was someone trying to reach out to evangelical pastors in iowa, someone who did -- he was an...

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