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Election day. we got a lot of calls from people right often the bat in durham county unable to vote because of the incorrect information in the electronic poll book. that is a way of checking voters in rather than having the paper book. you have the electronic poll book. and the information there was wrong, either people were told that they had the wrong address, they were at the wrong location, they had voted early, voted during absentee voting. when they were saying i know i wasn't voting earlier. the people were being told that they couldn't vote and the poll books were taken off line in th...

They did it, we know they did it, we can prove it and when you talk about in person vote fraud or voter impersonation we have the evidence, the signed poll book that doesn't match registration -- >> cases obviously you want to aspire to be better. when the president made an issue in the white house and came out and said a lot of people are registered in two places he had staffers registered in two different places. this is the concern is that are you just chasing after something to validate a myth or are you going to make the system better? we will see when the results of this commission come ...

What the judge said. what would be the remedy? what do they do if they find, yes, they did keep polls open too late? historically what's been done in a case like that, do we know? >> that's something we've been talking about here, trying to figure that out. because if the court were to say, yep, voting should have stopped at 8:00 or should have stopped after this person was the last in line, how do you determine what votes were cast after that? it's not clear to us that the votes are time-stamped or that people have to put a time in the poll book. it may be there's a simple answer to that ques...

His tcu faculty i.d. is not accepted. he's 90 years old. he showed up at the dmv, was told, you don't qualify. his assistant got a copy, a certified copy of his birth certificate and now he's going to be able to get an i.d. that costs $22, by the way, otherwise known as a poll tax. how many 90-year-olds are going to have an assistant to be able to do that? by the way, we've also seen, a judge had to sign an affidavit to be able to vote. wendy davis, candidate for governor, had to sign an affidavit to be able to vote. greg abbott, the republican candidate for governor, had to sign an affidavit ...

Address the source of the main part of what we see in the system. >>shepard: but there is not much? or is there? >>guest: very low. we have had millions and millions of voters the last years and the likelihood of vote fraud occurring is on the order of winning the lot try. >>shepard: of winning the lottery is like 11 billion or something, isn't it? >>guest: yes. it is a very rare and infrequent. when it happens we are concerned. election officials do take these allegations seriously. they investigate them fully. usually what happens, the allegations come out and after we find out that maybe so...