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>> how significant are these new manafort revelations? >> they're very significant. how significant and in what way depends on a lot of things. first of all, it's collusion. okay? collusion is not a crime, as trump loves to say. but collusion has an illicit purpose. there is no good explanation for why manafort would do either of these things, share the poll data or discuss ukrainian peace plan, whatever that means. is it a national security threat that he did these things? yes. is it a criminal conspiracy? maybe. that is going to depend on a lot of other facts. it sure smells like it more and...

Chairman for president trump be providing what must have been internal poll data? why do i say must have been? the russians don't need to get public poll data from manafort, they can read that in the newspapers. so here's this kind of proprietary poll data going to a russian that everyone believes is at least connected to the gru, but in looking at his bio, i think he might have been a gru officer at one time. and what would the expectation be? he's not going to go home and stick the polling data on his refrigerator. he's going to do something with it. so imagine, let's play that out. you now ...

>> that's far more dangerous than doing television. neil: tell me about it. and congressman, i want to touch on something that's near and dear to you, the future of the affordable care act, the obamacare, aj a texas judge shooting down people having to buy the insurance. that takes away that underpinning. are you worried that this whole thing is going to get shot down? >> well, i am worried, yes. and i think others ought to be worried. you know, i think most of the people around here in the midwest campaigned that they believe that we needed to maintain the-- some portions of the affordable ca...

Wishful thinking. >> professor de soto this morning on "morning joe" echoed something in your lead. she said the poll data is not reflected. she thinks it's going to be within the -- right now they are running neck and neck. >> because of the turnout model. the $38 million he's raised is being deployed to turn out those unlikely voters. about 1.6 million folks they've registered. so part of what we need to see here is that beto o'rourke is exciting people who we don't ordinarily think are the people who are going to participate in the electoral process. ted cruz is vulnerable. and i think we'r...

Could swat you on the behind, do what they wanted and women were silent. they were silenced and he doesn't understand why all these women are saying this ugly stuff and why we're running our mouths and talking. he doesn't like it. that's who he is. >> h he's that old, huh? >> he is. >> let me go to joel. >> there's two things going on -- >> i'm not sure age protects him. >> i don't think the president can look at this without seeing himself. it's like he's looking in a fun house mirror but a mirror nonetheless. i think when he sees brett kavanaugh being accused of this, he says, well, people a...