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Was talking polling information, needed -- owed derepaska $19 million. why wouldn't the president or giuliani say we had nothing to do with what paul manafort did? he was on his own? all we've heard them say about manafort from the president, he's a really good guy who doesn't talk. >> i think because the ground is literally shifting beneath their feet in this investigation. you know, look, giuliani has told our colleague this was an inadvertent slip. but he also stood by it. he said i can only speak for the president. i can't speak for the campaign. there's a giant joint defense agreement. ru...

>> peter baker is joining me. he's also an msnbc political analyst. daily beast white house reporter and our barbara mcquay, welcome everybody. rudy giuliani is trying to clarify himself. he's saying no, he never said those things and that there was no collusion. we have gone back and track all the times he had said it. we know the manafort team posted without redacting it properly was giving over polling information to our associate of his. one that had links to intelligence. we know about the fliynn stuff and don jr. stuff. what's happening here with rudy giuliani? >> you don't want to get u...

By -- dumbstruck by the sharing of polling information by the -- in the campaign, with a russian operative. so this just kind of adds more fuel to that fire. but, again, bottom line, don't mess with bob mueller. >> well, it's interesting that you put out the sharing of polling. like, how many days ago was that? >> it seems like eons. >> and then there was the -- the development before that and the crisis before that, and it's just, it's just exhausting. listen, director, manafort's former deputy, rick gates, is claiming that even after manafort was indicted, he was working through unnamed inte...

To me, just add to the story here. and of course, i'm still struck by -- dumbstruck by the sharing of polling information by the -- in the campaign, with a russian operative. so this just kind of adds more fuel to that fire. but again, bottom line, don't mess with bob mueller. >> well, it's interesting that you put the sharing of polling. like, how many days ago was that? >> it seems like eones. >> and then there was the -- the development before that and the crisis before that, and it's just, it's just exhausting. listen, director, manafort's former deputy, rick gates, is claiming that even a...

Written by the head of the kgb to the government. >> this is like having a document by the current head of the russian fsb how directly to putin to say here's an offer being made by senator so-and-so and it is all laid out right there. >> we are left with a meeting with donald junior of what took place now we read a newspaper that perhaps manafort shared polling information or something like that. we have calls for impeachment and indictments that this is the same media that completely ignored what you have discovered and written about original documentation and if we had a prosecutor at that