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Speculating that the president may not fully grasp what he is getting into locking horns in a fight with the chief justice of the supreme court, as i know you know. but these are the times we're living in, bob. >> that's exactly right, brian. this is the political view of a white house, a white house that unusually sees the court as a potential battleground, a battleground in politics not just when it comes to judicial decisions. >> maya, this would give us some indication, would continue, of how the trump white house would deal with subpoenas? >> oh, i think we know that they will fight subpo...

Answer to one question. is trump cutting into clinton's lead or is he not? we just talked about, he is cutting into the lead but not enough to get all the way there. for a while, i've been saying there are certain things he would need to do if he'll be in a position to pull off an upset in this presidential contest. a surge in national polls was one of the things. we've seen it in the abc news tracking poll but not a significant surge in any other major national polls. he had to show more message discipline. towed lock into some clinton controversies and there had to be this expansion of the e...

More giving to the mormon church than we know about and is uncomfortable talking about mormonism, yes. he is making a judgment and clearly decided he is going to try to tough this out, because he thinks it's worse if he releases them. >> the other thing, not to defend him at all, they may point to -- i've heard his campaign officials point to the fact that this has not affected their campaign, their polling standing in some of the key states. if you begin to see a drop and we see new numbers come soon, it may encourage him to do it. on another note, just to build on three points already made, ...