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>> in a matter of minutes. and this wouldn't even be detected in a metal detector at all. >> no. >> that could get to the yard real quick. real quick. use it, throw it, flush it, you're done and over with. >> you could go into somebody's heart, pop a jugular vein, hit, take an eyeball out. >> and then you clear the evidence. >> then you clear the evidence and your work station is clean. >> no detection. next on "lockup: extended stay," whether you're an inmate doing your time -- >> i did everything i could to avoid the situation. >> -- or a veteran correctional officer -- >> he was going for...

This wouldn't even be detected in the metal detector at all. >> no. >> somebody gets to the yard real quick, real quick, use it flush, it get it over with. >> you can throw it into somebody's heart, pop a jugular vein, take an eyeball out, and clear the evidence. >> and then clear the evidence. and your work station's clean. >> there was a slashing over in badger section involved hispanics. the hispanics are now in lockdown, actually they've got the entire badger second on lockdown. >> our crew was at san quentin just hours after an inmate was slashed across the faced with a shank. the attacke...

Actually -- >> in a matter of minutes. and this wouldn't even be detected in a metal detector at all. >> no. >> that could get to the yard real quick. real quick. use it, throw it, flush it, you're done and over with. >> you could go into somebody's heart, pop a jugular vein, hit, take an eyeball out. >> and then you clear the evidence. >> then you clear the evidence and your work station is clean. >> no detection. next on "lockup: extended stay," whether you're an inmate doing your time -- >> i did everything i could to avoid the situation. >> -- or a veteran correctional officer. >> he was...

Between out there. they just roll the dice. >> roll the dice. >> they just roll the dice. >> so obviously, i tried to nail down with him exactly what he needs. it appears they don't want to get in front of the white house. they work for the administration. they told me, you know, we work for the administration. we can't lobby congress on this, but people want answers. and these are the guys federally on the street in charge of this. >> two fascinating interviews. congratulations on that and keep going with it. i found them both incredibly disspiriting. i think the trafficker is right. you can ...

Another inmate. >> you got to have air go into the bottom of this thing or else it will start smoking real bad. then temper it here. bring it into the cold area because it hardens it, makes it stronger. look it. that is what you're trying to come out with. what we do here, you can either put a tip on it right here, sharpen it down on the concrete, to where you'd have a piece that -- and it's actually -- >> in a matter of minutes. this wouldn't even be detected in a metal detector at all. >> no. >> that could get to the yard real quick. real quick. use it, throw it, flush it, you're done and ov...