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The faith. >> christopher, the papacy has such a long, colorful, rich history. well over a millennium and a half with many characters and very interesting personalities. how do you think pope benedict will be remembered in that longitudinal analysis when the history books are written? >> right. there have been over 260 men who have been popes. there were several dozen ante popes as well. it is a colorful history. anyone watching cable tv, you have fodder for all sorts of that. sometimes it makes the game of thrones blush. i think benedict was very much in the line. sometimes i think he was the...

To see and witness the funeral. tie: certainly are, naga, good morning fora certainly are, naga, good morning for a very misty rome where thousands of people have made their way to st peter's basilica. in the early hours we saw nuns and priests among those powering through the streets to get the best possible vantage point for the funeral service which takes place later today. it is an extraordinary moment because the funeral of pope benedict will be carried out by his successor, pope francis. it is really a reflection of this extraordinary decade we have had, for the past decade, there have b...

This was my thought, this person who gave his whole life to the church was being honored as that. i thought pope francis's thought was faithful friend of the bridegroom, this was a way to sum up his faith filled life. >> christopher, it's interesting. one of the take aways i've had from speaking with all of you this morning is this notion as father james martin was just saying, that in many ways pope benedict had been an asset to pope francis. there was a lot of focus and perhaps even an over emphasis on the schism between their positions on church doctrine. it seems the two men did have a lot...

>> given this is an incredibly rare situation, to have had two popes simultaneously, how did that, if at all, change the shape of the catholic church worldwide, having current pope, pope francis, associated with the more progressive wing of the catholic church and pope benedict xvi the more conservative side? >> well, that's a very good question. i think at times there were some people who coalesced around benedict, but benedict always made it clear that there was one pope. that pope francis was in charge. by the same token, pope francis was very sort of respectful towards benedict. one of the...

In all christendom, in front of a crowd of 50,000, he was brought for one final time, to spontaneous applause. applause. it was the last occasion the two popes were together. one presiding over the funeral of the other. during his homily, pope francis used biblical references in which he appeared to compare benedict tojesus. translation: we want to do this with the same wisdom, _ tenderness and devotion that he bestowed on us over the years. together we want to say, father, into your hands we commend his spirit. in the crowd were an estimated 4,000 members of the clergy,