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Publish a number, charlie, for what happens if it's under 40. >> yeah, well, this is new territory here. yeah, and now the thing is there are some factors that would partially mid gate it. congressional district boundaries since the 2011 redistricting benefit republicans some, and natural population patterns where democratic vote is concentrated in urban areas. but let's just say take that 40 number. okay. knock it down by 25% to 30. that's still losing the house. anything 24 or over is losing majority in the house. so even with the district boundaries and population patterns, the chances of r...

Republicans some, and natural population patterns where democratic vote is concentrated in urban areas. but let's just say take that 40 number. okay. knock it down by 25% to 30. that's still losing the house. anything 24 or over is losing majority in the house. so even with the district boundaries and population patterns, the chances of republicans losing 24 or more are going up. and but you're right. when a president has approval rating of 50 or over, they've typically either picked up seats or just lost a dozen or 15 seats. but when it's under 50, it starts getting really awful. and 38, good...

Handicap. we are not used to high turnout mid terms. other than that where is this going? >> to me you have got competing forces. you look at sort of the macro political, the political environment, and it's just looking absolutely awful for republicans. but then you look at the micro side, whether you are talking about the house or whether you are talking about the senate, the specific circumstances. redistricting where congressional district boundaries are helps republicans. natural population patterns where democrats are incredibly concentrated in relatively a few number of different distric...

Across the country. number one, they're going on vacation for a couple weeks when we've got this thing looming on march 1st, the sequester. what evidence do we have out there that shows the 113th is going to be any different from the 112th, that they're not going to be a record number of filibusters when they're doing this to chuck hagel today? i mean, i think this is the tea leaves, isn't it? >> actually, we don't have any evidence. what always amaze me, when they say that congress has a disapproval of 89 and an approval of 9, i always wonder who is the 9? i never met any of them. but look, t...

It's nothing there. >> americans get -- i think are upset about this. that's not the term i'd like to use on tv. i'd be a little more brash aboutangry. across the country. number one, they're going on vacation for a couple weeks when we've got this thing looming on march 1st, the sequester. what evidence do we have out there that shows the 113th is going to be any different from the 112th, that they're not going to be a record number of filibusters when they're doing this to chuck hagel today? i mean, i think this is the tea leaves, isn't it? >> actually, we don't have any evidence. what alway...