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So are you suggesting that they don't know what they're doing? or you have two very different opinions? or maybe they're not being as forthcoming for obvious reasons? >> well, i have seen the description of bp's number. and their methodology isn't clear. so i can't really say one way or the other that their number is wrong. but i can say -- one thing that i can say for sure, i'm looking at a snapshot in time. this 30-second snapsho and during that 30-second time period, i see a flow rate of 70,000 barrels a day. plus or minus 14. so it could be as low as 56 or as high as 84. but i'm quite conf...

Storage. but, you know, they've got hundreds of thousands of feet of boom. they've organized an armada of ships. they have a 13,000 person army of people working on this cleanup project. they have a thousand people in their crisis center. so this was all part of what every oil company has as a plan to address things when they go badly wrong. >> jeff: john, what do you make -- we just had steve wereley on, an expert from purdue. his estimate could be as high as 70,000. bp is sat 5. a huge discrepancy there. >> what i understand, i'm not a mathematician. i respect his calculations. but i don't u...

Happened when. but it's catastrophic. i think they have an all-hands on deck response. they're going through the whole crisis exercise, listing lots of remedies. and while it looks like perhaps they're changing course, they're actually following a list, a menu of things they could possibly do to fix this leak. >> jeff: one of the things i've heard talk about is this relief well. is that -- that seems like -- or sounds like it is a massive undertaking that could potentially be months in the making. >> the worst case would be months. but it is a massive undertaking. basically, they're drilling a...