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>> but that's a budgetary piece. that's not the health care piece. the republicans tried to put those health care mechanisms in place to control costs during the health care debate which were resoundingly rejected by the democrats. so then we remember stuck with this government intrusion on the health care market where they don't belong, i believe, as opposed to going in and cutting in those areas that would allow you to create the kind of marketplace that you want for portability and to keep your kids insured and alike. you don't need to rejiger the entire system. >> i think that rejigering t...

Republicans and conservatives and democrats, red and blue, have to come to some consensus on what makes sense for the long-term prosperity of these programs and the health of our nation. >> i've got to ask you, what's the republican plan to control health costs? >> well, i think that part of their plan has been to talk about looking at the market forces that can help drive down those costs. the system that we had in place had things that did work and things that didn't work. you didn't need to upend the entire system and remake the entire system to create an avenue for portability. to create -...

The republican plan to control health costs? >> well, i think that part of their plan has been to talk about looking at the market forces that can help drive down those costs. the system that we had in place had things that did work and things that didn't work. you didn't need to upend the entire system and remake the entire system to create an avenue for portability. to create -- >> wait, wait, wait. costs were going up like 10, 15, 20, 25% every year. there was nothing in the old system before health reform that was controlling health costs. and in ryan's plan, there's literally no proposal ...

The system that we had in place had things that did work and things that didn't work. you didn't need to upend the entire system and remake the entire system to create an avenue for portability. to create -- >> wait, wait, wait. costs were going up like 10, 15, 20, 25% every year. there was nothing in the old system before health reform that was controlling health costs. and in ryan's plan, there's literally no proposal at all for controlling health costs. he makes no -- i'm not saying he makes bad proposals. he makes no proposals on that, which is why i think it doesn't seem like a serious id...

Marketplace that you want for portability and to keep your kids insured and alike. you don't need to rejigger the entire system. >> i think that rejigering the entire system enough to privatize medicare is the kind of rejigering they i am delighted to hear you say that republicans are going to run on this year. >> i did not say -- >> from your lips to god's ears. >> i'm not saying they are absolutely going to run on it. i said it's going to be part of the debate, as it should be. why do we want to continue to run away from it? you're not solving the problem. you have got to address this issue ...