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Perimeters and determine the hostage takers and the hostages, the whole setting would be similar to any of our agencies around the world dealing with this. >> spider, one expert told me he thought something like this would happen within the united states within months. is there any way to stop it? >> well there is no reason to believe that it wouldn't happen. we have an open society. we've achieved a level of freedom that we don't want to eliminate. we don't want to further reduce. we certainly lived through that post-9/11 and we created new procedures that have been in place and a new normal....

This. so that's been another element of it here. so i think mostly the feelings today, though, have been with those who are the hostages. i mean, i spoke to a woman who said, you know, the woman who was holding up the banner, she makes my coffee every day. i mean, this is the most human thing, going out for a coffee and suddenly you're in the center of a hostage drama. andrea? >> sara james, thank you so much for being with us. long duty there on this very difficult day in australia as we continue to try to find out exact cli what happened and what the moat vastivations were. joining me in was...

Individuals in the west and in the united states. but that is their strategy, and in this case it does not look like this guy was an isis operative. but indeed he did take one of their flags, which shows the power of isis, the power of their words. even with this guy as you mentioned may probably be a shia. he still wanted that flag, he wanted to be associated with that movement because they are in fact have reached the imagination of a lot of these violent jihadis around the world. >> that's the propaganda value and the impact of social media in a strange way, isis has not been as praigally e...

Intelligence. you don't have the right police work, it's lazy. >> it's sympathy for the people that did this in this sense, they weren't trying to make money, in some circumstance, some contractors were. >> doctor 85 million. >> the people in the deposit. they weren't trying to advance tear careers. they were trying to deal with a post-9/11 era. our democracy is threatened most at time of war and they tailed. >> hold that thought, andrea mitchell has a tight window with us, joining us from walk. she is on this topic. host of andrea mitchell. andrea, have you examples of bad information being o...

Ayman. talk about the fallout from afghan and beyond. >> he was very critical about some of the practices, specific kaelt allegations coming out of the senate report suggested that the torture that took place happened in bagram air base. obviously, a facility held by u.s. military, post-9/11. he's been critical of the u.s.'s policy and strongly condemned the pore tour. it hasn't only been him. top counterterrorism official at united nations say officials need to be held accountable for these actions. we're hearing from some of u.s.'s adversaries, including the iranian supreme leader. his tweet...