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Regulations that are strangling businesses, small banks with dodd frank, obama care that is coming down the track, that is going to give the confidence to the job creators. >> chris: 2.5 million jobs doesn't even keep pace -- your enunemployment rate would increase under this goal. >> i don't believe that for a minute. that is just absolutely false on its face. americans will get back to work. are we going to go out and make some claim and say oh, it is going to create 10.5 million jobs, we would be having the same conversation, oh, that is not realistic. i tell you one thing, you give this pl...

Hole in the deficit? >> you got to look at the spending cuts as well and look at the dynamics of the growth that goes on here. you can't just say take one little piece of this and say here is the plan. it is not. this is the plan that gives people an option. and i think a good option to be able to do their taxes on a postcard literally taking that 20% tax flat tax deducting mortgage, deducting charitable, deducting taxes, 12,500 for each dependent, substracting it and sending it in, literally on a post card. it is that simple to put it on that postcard right there. i mean that is it. and then ...

Regulations that are strangling businesses, small banks with dodd frank, obama care that is coming down the track, that is going to give the confidence to the job creators. >> chris: 2.5 million jobs doesn't even keep pace -- your enunemployment rate would increase under this goal. >> i don't believe that for a minute. that is just absolutely false on its face. americans will get back to work. are we going to go out and make some claim and say oh, it is going to create 10.5 million jobs, we would be having the same conversation, oh, that is not realistic. i tell you one thing, you give this pl...

>> jamie: interesting, the answer from an exclusive sit down he had, with our chris wallace, and we'll have chris coming up shortly to tell us more. what specifically is he saying about the flat tax plan? >> reporter: he said, jamie, it's all about choice and people can choose to pay 20% flat tax or their current tax rate and, can do it all on a post card. >> it is that simple. to put it on, that post card, right there and that's it. and, then, people have the confidence, the confidence, the job creators, this plan is about getting people back to work. putting the confidence back in the americ...

White house right now. that's not working out very good for america. if you want to know how somebody is going to perform in the future take a look at their past. >> governor perry thinks there are better ways to spread the word about his ideas, including the flat tax and might take longer to explain than herman cain's 9-9-9 plan and pretty simple because people need to choose between a 20% tax rate and write it on a post card and it's simple to put it on the post card right there, that's it and then, people have the confidence, people have the confidence, job creators and this plan is about g...