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And it's not working and it has to be fixed. >> bakari. >> if we don't, we no that there with one-third of the counties right now in this country that only have one insurance provider. we know that there are people who were facing not having access to any health insurance. >> let bakari make his point. >> this doesn't help that. you will have people with pre-existing conditions whose care will sky rocket. but if you want democrats to help to get to the point that you were making and john kasich was making, one thing democrats wanted to do is take it further because there are 18, 19 states not ...

The congressional realm and put patients in contact with their doctors. listen, i was on obamacare. had to get out of it and now i'm on a medishare and now i'm actually talking to the doctor about price of care. we'll keep going around about all the different benefits until we get patients involved in the process and we start lowering the cost of care. insurance means nothing unless you lower the cost of care. >> jen, it seems to me and i said this to dr. price that there was a reluctance to acknowledge that there would be winners and losers with obamacare. and we're seeing the same thing play...

Congressman raul labrador, republican of idaho. at a town hall yesterday. with me now to discuss health care and more, bakari sellers, marsha blackburn, jen psaki and amanda carpenter. congressman, let me start with you. nobody dies because they don't have access to health care. true? >> we all know that individuals have and need access to health care and that is one of the reasons we're trying to get in this process and clean up what has happened through the affordable care act and the marketplace and the narrowed networks and lack of access because the stories that come into our office every...

Direction of a system that works for patients. >> as you know, a lot of working class voters went in there in november and pulled the lever for president trump having heard him say that he was going to keep their medicaid, save their medicaid, without any cuts. cbo says this is an $880 billion cut, and i asked you at the top, and i wonder if if you can just directly answer this. because one of the frustrations people have with how obamacare was sold to the public is that politicians weren't straight. they didn't being a floj that there were winners and losers. there were winners and losers wit...

Everybody ought to have healthcare. and i think philosophically what did the republicans have to offer? the obamacare bill said universal healthcare. the bill that ryan was offering was, how could you, other than we made a promise we want to keep it, what was the essence of it? there wasn't. and secondly, there was the technical issue. which is that ryan crafted a bill to fit the technical requirements of what was called reconciliation in the senate, which is why he could not include in the bill the things that would have satisfied the conservatives, tort reform, stripping out the requirements...