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Guilt. >> what do you make of this investigation launched by the republican devin nunes? what do you make of the fact that he seems to be helping the president do what you describe? >> i think it's deeply disturbing that he is damaging the institution of the department of justice and the fbi with its credibility. once you damage those reputations, it's very hard to fix them. and i think at some point his action could also be scrutinized as potential conspiracy to obstruct justice. >> charlie, thanks for joining us as always. how does it look from outside when you see trump knocking off mccabe ...

Facts. can you put that in context of the questions about kushner. in fairness sometimes people are central because they were always there. secretary or assistant wrapped up in issues but not seen as driver of potential conspiracy. and other times people of special interest because they're reviewing whether that's a co-conspirator. what kodo you think jared kushner's team is thinking when they see in article that they keep asking other people about jared? >> it's not pleasant read for them. and i imagine each witness will be asked lots about kushner and everyone else they may have encountered....