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>> jeremy bash, if you had presented donald trump at the start of his presidency with a list of let's call it 99 potential problems, number 99 might have been his attempt to buy the buffalo bills. and yet we see because of the nature of this case, state versus federal and the power of state investigations, this one could rise to take its place among the best known investigations of this president and presidency thus far. >> yeah, i think we're looking at just the tip of the iceberg, brian. of course for a real estate developer, filling out financial forms and asking for loans from banks is kin...

He thought they would invoke privilege and to the extent they said talk about him and talk about his frame of mind and your conversations with him. it raises a lot of potential problems. i think the strategy is to not cooperate with the special counsel. when you have white house staff becoming star witnesses against the president or potentially against the president in this e involvie ining case, how do you with them on a daily basis? it becomes a real conflict of interest. his relationship with the president is very strained. things are clearly, it's a difficult position to be in. >> do you t...

Respond that way. >> and just so you get in the reverse, if president trump went to moscow, that would be a big deal, too, and it would be fraught with a lot of potential problems. so it is very interesting. i watch putin almost more than trump, if that's possible. but it is very interesting to watch how putin is playing this. it is kind of like, yeah, yeah, you come over here, yeah. and then slathering president trump with praise today. i mean, it was over the top. he is a great businessman. he follows through on his promises. this is all in quotes to his electorate. and you have to read betw...

Asop fable ends. the boy cries wolf some times, threats of revoking security clearances, that the people in the town finally don't believe him and the boy actually sees a wolf. no one listens, and the sheep are eaten. and i'm wondering are the sheep america? >> i think -- there's so many problems with governing this way. this is really the opposite of speak softly and carry a big stick. this is donald trump very per miskus in terms of his use of language. it's the opposite of what we would expect from a president. i think there are a lot of potential problems. one of them is this boy who cried...

Trying to send a message to trump and giuliani that the truth is not you or your client's friends. "outfront" now, a member of the president's 2020 re-elect advisory panel and joan walsh. great to have both of you here. mark, let me start with you. the truth is not giuliani or trump's friend. those are fighting words. do they happen to be true? >> i think it's always best when people tell the truth. so if rudy giuliani is encouraging someone to tell the truth, that is a good thing. he clearly said yesterday on multiple occasions he's got nothing to worry about. >> how does he know? how does ru...