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Ukrainian forces. that's a potential provocation, but there are many provocations. you could have -- there were clashes in this city. i'm in donetsk. a few days ago between pro-russian civilians, anti-russian, pro-kiev civilians, militias that are post both on the streets. you could have a variety of provocations, not just those few hundred troops that are holding out, that are almost like hostages on their bases in ukraine. although that certainly is a flashpoint. >> yeah, the prospect, imagining, like, if you had a family member in crimea who was a ukrainian soldier who was still there, i ca...

A few thousand more who have mostly gone home or given up their weapons. then you could have a, you know, a real massacre of the remaining ukrainian forces. that's a potential provocation, but there are many provocations. you could have -- there were clashes in this city. i'm in donetsk. a few days ago between pro-russian civilians, anti-russian, pro-kiev civilians, militias that are post both on the streets. you could have a variety of provocations, not just those few hundred troops that are holding out, that are almost like hostages on their bases in ukraine. although that certainly is a fla...

Few hundred people backed up by a few thousand more who have mostly gone home or given up their weapons. then you could have a, you know, a real massacre of the remaining ukrainian forces. that's a potential provocation, but there are many provocations. you could have -- there were clashes in this city. i'm in donetsk. a few days ago between pro-russian civilians, anti-russian, pro-kiev civilians, militias that are post both on the streets. you could have a variety of provocations, not just those few hundred troops that are holding out, that are almost like hostages on their bases in ukraine. ...