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He could have been like, yeah, we do things for different categories, but the truth is that the president has tried to do as much as he could to move forward with the agenda that -- >> right. the had-to excuse. i had jokingly referred to the getting stuff done clause of the constitution which doesn't exist. the american people have elected a government that is divideed. it'll be even more divided come january, and i think for the president to prove forward with this immigration plan but to do it in such a way that he himself repeatedly said he couldn't do, that's a question i hope he's asked t...

We're a country that prizes our dumb movies. that's what we're in art about, right? i think these companies should have backing of american government when it is an attack from foreign entity like this. i hope the president is forceful bit today. this is just frightening that we're backing down over something like this. by the way, since hollywood is too chicken to sign a petition. i have a petition. find it at mk hammer, my twitter handle. there is a link to it. get them to release this movie because it will, dominoes will continue to fall. more movies will be censored. it is not good. martha...

Another country, what are we going to do about it? i think that is where the president's cautious nature is going to kick in. i don't really expect him to say anything definitive about that. bill: in 30 minutes you will hear a well-known hacker been on our show many times. he is an insider and what he says the scarce evid has been made public makes him rather dubious north korea is even involved in this thing. >> that is entirely possible. a number of people have asked whether north korea is sophisticated enough to do that? the flip side of that, there are people in the united states, who inde...

All of sudden attention is on north korea and away from the real criminal. bill: to pull this off, you mentioned an insider. would it have to be inside job, someone who truly understands the system? >> there are so much volume of information that came from sony, that it would, be almost impossible for this to occur completely from the outside. we're talking about emails, financial records, passwords, password keys. there is so much of it. somebody knew exactly what to get and where to get it. bill: this could be someone ticked off at company for any number of reasons? maybe the movie had somet...

By iran and actually some of their advisers are on the ground with them. that is not good news in terms of iran's influence inside iraq. bill: a lot of people predicted that, too, as you know. is there a big difference between battling isis in iraq as opposed to taking them on in syria, general? >> yeah, there really is. in both cases we have weak hands in terms of indigenous forces. in syria it's most pronounced because it's the free syrian army, and the free syrian army not only has to deal with isis, but it's being shellacked by assad's regime. mostly its air power which is pounding it. and...