This is a real crisis especially in hard economic times. >> vicky, the bill and melinda gates foundation has done so much, and your focus has been on the poverty data and the impact on k through 8. what are the real challenges now? >> part of what's happening to kids, is they leave high school without the skills they need to be successful and they end up taking remediation courses and dropping out. they have a great education through high school so kids meet college-ready standards and what's great about what's happening in pittsburgh is they're looking at all of these issues. so you have the ...