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Times" yesterday, profiting from a child's illiter dacy. "this is painful for a liberal to admit, but conservatives have a point when they suggest that america's safety net can sometimes entangle people in a soul-crushing dependency. our poverty programs do rescue many people, don't join the military escape route for poor, rural americans because it's easier to rely on food stamps and disability payments most wrenching of all are the parents who think it's best if a child stays illiterate because then they receive a disability check each month. there's no doubt that some families with seriousl...

Place that we need to recognize. we have surprisingly good news on unemployment. there will be i lag for that and witching off food stamps and get back to work. >> victoria 15 million more people on food stamps than four years ago. >> the scary thing to me, it is building over the last decade. we can talk about it as a phenom nan of the recession. but under president bush and president obama, we have seen a rise in the food stamp program, it is so large it is supporting a large bureaucracy that wants to fuel the growth. four billion in administrative costs. they don't want to lose their jobs e...

19.2% average, arkansas 19.2%. they do have a democratic governor. texas, rick perry's state, 18.5%. joy, you know, you talk about governors who are legislating against their own constituents and this would seem to be that in action. >> absolutely. look who was not on that list, florida. florida was one of those states where it has a tea party governor who is beholden to whatever the tea party wants but he has blinked from this idea of walking away from such things as federal poverty programs because in florida, that was one of those states to amplify martin's point where after the bottom drop...

At aspen and i talked about simpson-bowles being a template, you don't have to agree with everything in it, but we need a balanced approach to resolving this fiscal cliff. we have to -- we need more revenue but we also need to cut spending. we need to do it in a smart way. we need to cut red tape bureaucracy but make investments in programs like child nutrition, like the earned income tax credit, extending unemployment insurance. we these to make sure that we're making investments that will pay dividends down the line. just the cost of child poverty is a half a trillion dollars for the u.s. ec...

Our poverty programs, they're really fairly marginal as michael was saying. now when governor romney made that gaffe or whatever it was that heather mentioned what he said was i don't worry about the poor because we have a safety net. the safety net as they just mentioned is very porous and barely there. but secondly these guys whack the heck -- whack and sack out of the safety net. whatever holes were there, medicaid, they cut -- the romney budget cuts $800 billion for medicate. >> you are talking about the obama budget and the ryan budget as if they are actually the current law of the land. ...