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. welcome back to "hannity." the country is in denial over who to blame for baltimore's problems. this man represents the city of baltimore trying to brush aside who is really at fault. >> you guys are as responsible for what has and hasn't been done as anybody else? isn't that fair? >> chris, come on chris. you know, it's not about personalities, it's about policy. you know and i know that a lot of the policies coming down from washington, coming down from the state actually, too, but coming from washington are not necessarily kind to urban areas, particularly lately. >> joining us now, nat...

People in washington, d.c., commentators like to say you just need to throw billions of more dollars at a problem. again, i say this at somebody that always talks about the need for investment in these inner cities. and in education. and in poverty programs. in job training programs. but if you don't take care of the societal ills like the councilman was talking about then as he said you can send somebody to an $8 million school, but it does absolutely no good if when they go home they have a shattered home life. >> it's hard enough to raise kids when the family structure is in place. still ah...

Much charity to make a difference. private charity would do much more if government didn't discourage it. today they are fewer mutual aid societies because people say why do it myself? why try when we have the big welfare burr rock sees. taxes are already paid for food stamps housing vouchers va, long-term. college, remedial education and so on. also government's poverty programs have so many rules. i do it myself but the department of paperwork may say i did something wrong. i will let the professionals handle it. this is a bad idea. the professionals in government did such a lousy job. since...

. john: there are three ways to help people who need help, government can try to do it. give people money, start programs. charities do that too, and i'd say they're better at teaching people how to help themselves. there's the saying goes teach a man to fish. then there's a third way, i think it's the best way. i'll get to that later in the show. but first let's debate the first two. when i was in college, president lyndon johnson declared all-out war on human poverty. he said for the first time in our history, it's possible to conquer poverty. i believe him then but i watched his poverty pro...

>> her husband tried to help out and then stepped in it as well. he said he bought 15 swiss watches giving speeches in switzerland. the longer issue is how long they have been in the game and has that separated them from the american experience and watt it is like to struggle and be dead broke? she is someone who has, i think both of them, came from middle class background and that is something important politicians need to do and that is keeping in touch with what is going on in people's life. that is the bigger question. >> i think you are right. my mom told you you cannot forget where you c...