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One is going to be on the ukrainian abuse of power argument, and then the other will be based on obstruction of justice during the mueller proceedings. and, you know, it's important not to forget, though, the whole question of obstruction, right? you know, two or three months ago we were all saying they've got a very strong case on obstruction. so it's well possible you could have two charges now come out of the impeachment process, and that might strengthen the hand of the administration with regard to the final vote. >> the mueller report laid out ten possible areas of obstruction there. joh...

Louse and she goes back to quoting the federalist papers. yes, i do think it ought to be appealed. that's the right legal step to take. it does seem relatively straightforward. >> so, david, there is a temptation here for the democrats and maybe, according to some, a dangerous temptation, which is that if this is upheld, they would have access to the grand jury material from the mueller investigation. that's not the investigation that's happening right now. we're getting the publicity from ukraine here. some people think they should focus on the president pressuring foreign aid for campaign he...

Coming forward with mostly corroborating evidence. we know what happened. you know, the crime scene was that call and it's all been verified. everything the whistle-blower's complaint has been verified. but the more you can corroborate it, the more you can nail it down. and also, filling in details that could lead to legal trouble for other players other than president trump. people like rudy giuliani. and they could be in a world of hurt legally and if they are, it will be in part because of some of the testimony we've been hearing in the last week. >> uh-huh. >> it's important to understand ...

Stooer reing zeroing in on the abuse of power argument. we'll discuss what that means. and plus a deal over the tax returns. new developments on that, next. are we going to see donald trump's tax returns? it's tough to quit smoking cold turkey. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting. chantix reduces the urge so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal s...

Democrats push too much and put too much stock into this, it might just burn them in the end? >> it definitely could. they don't say of the the wall argument. this is a presidential power argument. basically saying trump is grabbing power and spending money doesn't have the authority to build a small. the presidency is becoming too powerful. trump is exceeding authority and that's going to be a very appealing argument in the elections. but you're right they can overdo appearance push come to show we're talking about about a wall and $5 billion. special dependence with the overall federal budge...