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Do what is ultimately immoral. >> mike: what about term limits. >> essential. >> if people had a limit where they leave, washington, and go home. >> i was against it as a lobbyist obviously. i would say i was against it because we want people to have the right to vote for whomever they want. the truth is i was against it because once you gained influence in a congressional office and spent your money to gain that influence you don't want to have to start all over again. lobbyists are totally against it. if we don't have it there is no way to clean up the system. >> mike: power and money are th...

Do ultimately what is immoral. >> what about term limits? >> it's essential. >> if they had a a term they were going to have to leave office and go home. >> it's essential. i was against it as a lobbyist or i would say i was against it because we want people to have the right to vote for whoever they want, but the truth is i was against it because once you gained influence in a congressional office and you spent your money to gain that influence you don't want them going away. lobbyists are essential but if we don't have it, there's no way to clean up the system. >> money and party fuel. which...

Do what is ultimately immoral. >> mike: what about term limits. >> essential. >> if people had a limit where they leave, washington, and go home. >> i was against it as a lobbyist obviously. i would say i was against it because we want people to have the right to vote for whomever they want. the truth is i was against it because once you gained influence in a congressional office and spent your money to gain that influence you don't want to have to start all over again. lobbyists are totally against it. if we don't have it there is no way to clean up the system. >> mike: power and money are th...

Why have a system where it is set up that people are going to do what is ultimately immoral. >> mike: what about term limits. >> essential. >> if people had a limit where they leave, washington, and go home. >> i was against it as a lobbyist obviously. i would say i was against it because we want people to have the right to vote for whomever they want. the truth is i was against it because once you gained influence in a congressional office and spent your money to gain that influence you don't want to have to start all over again. lobbyists are totally against it. if we don't have it there is ...

There are some exceptions but why have a system where it is set up that people are going to do what is ultimately immoral. >> mike: what about term limits. >> essential. >> if people had a limit where they leave, washington, and go home. >> i was against it as a lobbyist obviously. i would say i was against it because we want people to have the right to vote for whomever they want. the truth is i was against it because once you gained influence in a congressional office and spent your money to gain that influence you don't want to have to start all over again. lobbyists are totally against it....