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This -- as eli said, think of it as a hot potato. it's hot because you say, look, we have done everything we can in the congress. we literally are referring this as a public crime. then they say we're going to look at this very closely but there are a lot of reasons they don't love that kind of case. counsel here just gave us one, which sometimes that kind of case you lose, because as i emphasized briefly in the lead, max, it's not a separate crime. it's not like you stole something and you defied the subpoena. you're just on what could be technically called the process argument. but max, does...

They have been saying this about the anti-black. now so many leaders in the republican party who are supporting the likes of tucker carlson, who are supporting the likes of folks on fox news, now are spouting this kind of hatred that makes it more dangerous for people like you and me to walk down the street, to say nothing about going to the ballot box when we're trying to vote and exercise our american principles. >> and why do you think it is so vital to some of these individuals as we showed to go this far, which as we show was very far, then to hide and spit. you've got neo-nazis chanting ...

>> well, i mean, the republicans don't care about getting things done, right? they want to stop government, they want to cut back programs. there's nothing they want to move forward in charge, except tax cuts. other than that, what else did trump care about in the republicans getting done through legislation? very, very little. the democrats want the legislate. and it a very difficult process, particularly with a 50-50 senate. yeah, they are -- they know if they have any chance in 2022, they have to get this done, the infrastructure bill. i mean the infrastructure bill within the next month or...

$100,000, we're looking at a month to a year imprisonment. what this does, though, is send a signal to other people being called before this committee who might not be ready to die on that sword. might not be able to benefit politically or financially as steve bannon might be able to considering this world he lives in. mark meadows, kash patel, people who have not been deposed yet before this committee, they haven't been interviewed yet even though they were supposed to be. but we do have a sense that there is some movement, right? they're not out actively defying this. we've gotten word from ...

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