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>> he joins us. good evening, sir. >> hey, greta. good to be with you. >> it's a good argument that the irs can't process applications. some they sit on. some were pretty nasty targeting groups, so how would the obama administration or irs defend itself against that, do you think. >> well, this is the concern the folks had and you saw the passion out there on the west lawn of the capitol this week. look, a fundamental principle of our society is people have to trust the government. right now nobody trusts the irs to do what they're doing currently and let alone the job they've been assigned th...

>> he joins us. good evening, sir. >> hey, greta. good to be with you. >> it's a good argument that the irs can't process applications. some they sit on. some were pretty nasty targeting groups, so how would the obama administration or irs defend itself against that, do you think. >> well, this is the concern the folks had and you passion out there on the west lawn of the capitol this week. look, a fundamental principle of our society is people have to trust the government. right now nobody trusts the irs to do what they're doing currently and let alone the job they've been assigned through th...

Questions back in march. so my question is should he resign, and if he doesn't resign, should the president fire him. if the president doesn't fire him, what's the statement to us? >> well, the thing is the president's really hurting in a big way right now. i think he's losing the moral authority to lead the nation because we had the irs scandal. then he targeted fox reporters and ap reporters. the benghazi investigation, no one was fired. and now we have this snooping where his director of national intelligence looks at the senate and says i'm not keeping or collecting any americans' informat...

Individuals to see whether or not they're due penalties or interest rates on what kind of helmet coverage they have or don't have? that's the concern we all have. >> but even if you give them the best possible look, say there are five or six people at the irs that went rogue wlrks it's in washington or cincinnati or whatever, the conferences alone hat 2,600-plus managers and you figured five people in the office knew 2,600 were going. you multiply that by five and probably ten knew. so all these people were so well aware of it. the pool is so big of who's inept. forget the five rogue or 10 or ...

Quote, the office of management and budget directs that discretionary monetary awards should not be issued while sequestration is in place unless issuance of such awards is legally required, end quote. >> the irs is saying it has a legal obligation to comply with its collective bargaining agreement. >> you should only be el image fshl a bonus if you do something that exceedingly surpasses the expectati expectations. the irs is had not exceeded any rude men trir level of expectati expectations. >> steven from the "associated press" joins us. nice to see you. >> thank you. nice to be here. >> al...