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Here. thank you all. here's what i think. i think elijah cummings is one of the smarter people in congress. has a wonderful manner. and issa, one of the dumbest. he should embrace the guy and say, thank you, you undermined obamacare, you're the best witness we've got. then he slams the guy who has just given him what cummings said was a pr gift all wrapped up. why is he so stupid? >> you got four different things going on here, four different players. gruber doing a goober, pretty much, rolling back on his statements. >> where's the derivation of that? >> gomer pile? >> and darrell issa wants ...

Meetings were you in with president obama, how instrumental were you earning this $400,000? he's already managed to avoid questions about whether or not it was truly a question, whether or not -- how much money he was actually paid, and he also has denied being an architect. so at this point the republicans have not gotten out of him what they want to. it might be a long day for him, but he thought if he called his comments mean, uncalled for, stupid or anything else, maybe it would end, and it's not going to. shannon: well, jonah, at least some democrats think the republicans have gotten a lo...

Happening again but it should not happened the first time. >> but you understand the mistake has the same effect as dr. gruber's statement, same thing. it gives aca opponents a pr gift that they can use on cable shows and elsewhere to attack the-- a. it is an unforced political error. so now, i have to ask you for the record, because everybody is going to ask you the same thing. you're under oath and just tell me, did you intend to deceive this committee or the american people when you provided those enrollment numbers? was that your intention? >> i did not. >> and do you have any reason to be...