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But the southern poverty law center calls them a hate group. they're anti-muslim and misogynistic. the proud boys were founded by vice media co-founder gavin mcinnes. it was during the 2016 presidential campaign. he was suspended from twitter in august along with the group's main account for violating its policy on violent extremist groups. the proud boys appear to be growing. some experts say that's because they're not seen as being as extreme as other far right groups. but white supremacists say that's part of the pr move, a pr move by mcinnes to gain mainstream acceptance. mcinnes actually ...

For you, does it convince you that he has the temperament? >> no, absolutely not. because -- you made the point before i did that those were prepared statements that he wrote that. so it wasn't in the heat of the moment. that tells me that he wrote that, read it, went there, and felt as though that was an appropriate way to conduct himself in the hearing. and no, this is like saying you're sorry after you got caught. he's doing this as a pr move to try to convince people that no, i'm actually not unhinged and i can control my temper. i'm not a partisan hack. i'm none of those things that you s...

Retribution. does what he say now, does that, for you, does it convince you that he has the temperament? >> no, absolutely not. because, if -- you made the point before i did that those were preparedstatements, that he wrote that. so it wasn't in the heat of the moment. that tells me that he wrote that, read it, went there, and felt as though that was an appropriate way to conduct himself in the hearing. and -- no. so, this is like saying you're sorry after you got caught. he's doing this as a pr move to try to convince people that no, i'm actually not unhinged and i can control my temper. i'm...

>> this was a pr move. we have not seen dr. ford do any media interviews. >> [overlapping talking]. >> if she will come here tomorrow, i will talk to her. >> she released this through the "washington post." senator feinstein and the democrats are promoundly mishandling this. this is trashing someone's reputation. it's had a huge impact on dr. ford as well. and i am sure it will have on ramirez. it's not how it's supposed to go. in senator feinstein had not held on to these allegations for 6 whole weeks and refused to do anything to look into them, that's the time when the fbi investigation may...

Russia investigation as president trump launches fresh attacks against that probe. plus former white house official claims she spotted a, quote, mental decline in her former boss. before the break, the president's tweet comparing paul manafort to the legendary alphonse capone brings late night laughs. >> is it a good pr move to defend your former campaign manager by comparing him to a gangster who was sent to alcatraz and stabbed in the prison laundry room? >> why on earth is trump calling capone alphonse? does it make t mait think it ma classier? oh, yeah, theodore bundy and charles mason. ri...