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Of the periods since, it's much more nuance than that. >> in the dissent, there's a case made that there was tons of regulation and tons of understanding of the second amendment that it wasn't an individual right. >> that's right. to me i think we can't imagine we can go back in a time machine and ask james madison how should we deal with issues of guns or much else in the country these days? we have to consider the original intent absolutely but also how is the country evolved? they didn't have assault weapons. they didn't have cities. they didn't have police forces. >> they didn't have chipo...

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Idea that you have to go back to the intent of the founders and i just think if you go back to the intent of the founders and all of the periods since, it's much more nuance than that. >> in the dissent, there's a case made that there was tons of regulation and tons of understanding of the second amendment that it wasn't an individual right. >> that's right. to me i think we can't imagine we can go back in a time machine and ask james madison how should we deal with issues of guns or much else in the country these days? we have to consider the original intent absolutely but also how is the cou...

That something is just not quite working. i interviewed a man whose 15-year-old daughter has cancer in her brain, abdomen, pancreas, lungs, bones and even more places, went to plea major drug companies, told no by all three of them over and over again. >> i understand that but then -- >> so -- >> usually peep, though, drug companies don't like to give patients drugs because they say usually people, you know, they're so far gone that the drugs can't really help them once they're at the phase you're talking about, elizabeth. >> that's -- >> right. that's true -- >> don -- >> that is a problem so...

Child. that's a pr nightmare. >> because they're not part of the controlled -- go ahead. >> yeah, you know, the point is that we all want early access, expanded access to these drugs. that's not the issue. and it is true that we have a problem but we have to understand that problem before we embark upon a solution. you asked a little earlier, is there potential harm to the legislation? the real question is, is it really going to fix and solve the problem and the answer is no because, one, there is the opportunity for expanded access. the fda has processes and procedures that have been in place...