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Political peril, public relations peril. go. >> i think the thing the president will be fuming and raging about and potentially tweeting about the most will be michael cohen. because michael cohen, you know, what was michael cohen's job for a decade with donald trump? it was, he brought deals into the door and he made problems go away. and nobody, i think, nobody but he and trump know all of the stuff that he did. i think people in the trump organization and people in the white house would have to be worried about what sort of skeletons are hidden in the dark corners of that closet. and the fa...

That the worst of it pr wise during the first one and how does that change the dynamic this time around? reporter: i think the democrats are a little less likely for setup. they tried to paint the last shutdown as a win and i remember hearing chuck schumer say we got mitch mcconnell to agree that we have a debate and a vote on daca. well, you know, they could of got that without the shutdown so despite them trying to paint it as when it was not and you think what else did he get out of that and that was it. nothing. nothing except we will try to have that vote and i think for them to be willin...

That the worst of it pr wise during the first one and how does that change the dynamic this time around? reporter: i think the democrats are a little less likely for setup. they tried to paint the last shutdown as a win and i remember hearing chuck schumer say we got mitch mcconnell to agree that we have a debate and a vote on daca. well, you know, they could of got that without the shutdown so despite them trying to paint it as when it was not and you think what else did he get out of that and that was it. nothing. nothing except we will try to have that vote and i think for them to be willin...

Nbc news he will be the one to confirm whether he sits down with an interview with mueller, and he hasn't made a decision on whether an interview with mueller would happen. you would say, mr. dowd, that's not your decision? >> well, he could plead the fifth amendment. that would be a reason to say i'm not going to testify. >> is that the only way he can refuse -- >> i think it is. who knows what someone could come up with. >> but pleading the fifth is the only way out of this. >> i think so, and i'm not sure that's a way out of it. >> pr wise, a terrible idea. >> a, and b, i don't know if muel...

Economics. now we no one of the problems is pr wise and rhetorical have boxed themselves into the corner after complaining about debt and deficits for eight years but think about the reagan years what he inherited and was able to do with supply side economics average gdp was 3.5% and 1884, 7.3% and income is up 8% adjusted for inflation not adjusted for inflation up 50% and you look at 16.5 million net new jobs. i mean that's the proof right there, so the debt went up there's no doubt about that. some of that was to build up the break down of the soviet union's military back but i think net- n...