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They feel it's part of a broader problem, that they haven't been treated with respect, they feel like they are encroaching on the church and so i think that he may have done some permanent damage that is going to be a little bit hard to walk back even if there is agreement on this. jon: judy, a lot of people you read in the coverage there are people who aren't even practicing catholics, not even particularly religious who felt that this was sort of a heavy-handed government order, edict. >> i think that the white house finally took notice, once they discovered that jewish organizations were al...

Amendments to the constitution, are we saying you can keep some and trade in others? it reminds me when i was teaching a youngster about the ten amendments and he said do you have to follow all of them at the same time? >>neil: that kid was me in school. you get six or seven out of ten, that technically is passing. >>guest: so, it is the same with the bill of rights, are we going to trade in some so we can keep others? i don't think that's the route to go, i think we have to find a way in which our freedom as we have always exercised it, is simply maintained. it is this mandate that is new, no...

But i think they have a general philosophy that the government is the one who should be principally providing for social services. i'm not reading this a lot in the newspapers right now but i think this is where it is going. why? because, for example, boston and washington, dc, catholic social services there were providing lots of adoption services. the government said, you can't receive any federal money, government money, unless you are providing for adoption services to gay families. they had to get out of it, they said we will not do that. that is one example. >>neil: but do you thing they...

United states. >>neil: my guest says he is wiping out the line between church and state by forcing the issue of contraceptives and the like being allowed and an opening in religious run and catholic run health organizations. how far does this go? >>guest: we should state clearly this is not about contraception but about religious liberty. why? because first of all, most health plans offer contraception. this is the government coming in and saying, those that don't, catholic hospitals, catholic educational institutions, we are going to require you provide these for your people. this is not a ba...

After fat cats but now you are picking off catholics. why not the religious are raising holy hell. @@