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To negotiate with president putin while putin's troops are still on the ground. and of course when it comes to the question of territory, how far is president putin willing to compromise on that? we've seen the annexation of four key regions on the southern and eastern parts of ukraine. president zelenskyy won't accept that. >> but how far apart are the two sides? because if you are waiting for crimea or if you are putting crimea into the equation, as being a pre-condition, if putin will put other things into it as well, how far apart are they? >> at this stage it feels very vast. the dividing...

No one in the democratic can openly say they're considering a run for the presidency. and we now live in a world, michael, where runs for presidency begin four years early. >> if you know the impact this plan to run will have better than my next guest, ron brownstein. ron, great to see you. that sound you hear is shamble being popped at the naval observatory, home of kamala harris. it keeps the otherwise democratic field frozen. what do you think? >> yeah. look, i take president biden at his word. i mean, with that pre-condition, if he's healthy, i think he will run. i could argue to you, in f...

Homeland security and several other agencies to discuss everything from how the u.s. would enact sanctions on russia to talking about the possibility of humanitarian assistance as well as movements of u.s. troops. the deputy national security adviser john finer said in a statement while ultimately the russians may do something slightly different than the u.s. gamed out, he said, quote, the goal for them, these table top exercises to be a close enough to what they end up doing that the plans are reducing the amount of time we need effectively. that's the whole goal and it's clear these movement...

>> i think this needs to have a strong combination of factors. readiness for the negotiations but without any pre-condition, and the only pre-condition should be please withdraw your troops from ukraine. >> so don't you suspect, again, not getting into the mind of putin, but doesn't anyone kind of suspect that putin must be stu stunned at this kind of bravery coming from putin? >> i think the surprise is the bravery from the man on the street, the woman on the street. he has been tough in the negotiations. that's why putin hates the government. he calls it nazi drug leaders, because he's seen ...

A negotiating chip and what are horrific thing to do to someone. >> harris: any way that backfires on putin? >> well, this kind of tactic of hostage diplomacy is a longstanding tactic of authoritarian regimes. the iranians have habitually done it. the taliban are doing it. they still have an american that we completely left behind in the withdrawal. maduro regime has american oil workers on house arrest. again we can't let putin dictate the terms. but i do not see us getting back into any kind of meaningful relationship until those americans are freed. that needs to be a pre-condition when we ...