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These pictures. here are the oil wells on fire again and forgive me, but i'm looking at some of the vehicles in these pictures. some of the humvees that go back to your time in the desert. >> well that's right. and only time this time it's going to be urban combat intense involvement underground tunnels, suicide bombers, hostages, we'll try and use precision fires, but it's going to be a long haul. the only possible good outcome, the last time when isis took the city 1,000 fighters put 60,000 iraqi troops in the flight frightened ravk. so this may be the other way around this time with air pow...

Some of the humvees that go back to your time in the desert. >> well that's right. and only time this time it's going to be urban combat intense involvement underground tunnels, suicide bombers, hostages, we'll try and use precision fires, but it's going to be a long haul. the only possible good outcome, the last time when isis took the city 1,000 fighters put 60,000 iraqi troops in the flight frightened ravk. so this may be the other way around this time with air power artillery, apatchy helicopters, isis could break contract and go back into syria where they're safer. >> general the world is...

Those with precision fires. but that could take some elements on the ground with precisi precision laser systems to be able to pick those off. i see that as the hardest fight right now, suzanne. >> is that why we hear from president obama saying there will be no u.s. ground forces, no boots on the ground from the united states in libya? does that mean we are counting on the french, the british, others, perhaps even arab nations, to put boots on the ground to deal with the fact you still have gadhafi tanks that are rolling through? >> yeah, both the french and the british are very capable. they...