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Has installed the usher echelons of involvement people who deny the role humans play in climate change. >> i think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and there's tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact. >> nobody really knows. i've -- look, i'm somebody that gets it. and nobody really knows. >> do you yourself believe in climate change? >> i believe there is science on both sides that are accurate. >> you know, what's wrong with being a skeptic? >> for some reason or another this issue of climate change has emerged as a pa...

Populations, and also the rolling back of regulations, which many stakeholders have been working for decades to have in place and to actually enhance those so they were more protective was another reason. and then, of course, the roll rollbacks of the budget or proposals to roll back the budgets, which would decimate the work that's been happening for decades. >> tom, i want to bring you in here because i think the bottom line is now that the environmental protection agency is led by somebody who fundamentally doesn't believe that the environment is in any jeopardy from increased oil an gas ex...

Proven that co-2 is the primary control knob for climate, do you believe that? >> no, i think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is challenging to do and there's disagreement about the degree of impact. no, i would not agree that it's a primary contributor to the global warming we see. >> so those comments go against really the accepted science on climate change, including inside the epa, which scott pruitt runs. do you believe there's tremendous disagreement on this? >> those comments were reckless. they're totally unacceptable. the head of the epa should not stutter ...

Director scott pruitt. i'm going to play a clip for you. >> do you believe that co2 is the primary control knob for climate? do you believe that? >> no. i think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is challenging to do and there is disagreement on the degree of impact. so i would not agree that it's a primary contributor to the global warming that we see. >> okay. >> we we don't know that yet. we need to continue to review the analysis. >> he says it's -- he would not agree that it's a primary contributing of the global wa m warming. i see you smiling. go ahead and give ...

>> do you believe that it's been proven that co 2 is the primary control knob for climate? do you believe that? >> no. i -- no. i think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and there is tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact. so no, i would not agree that it's a primary contributor to the global warming that we see. but we don't know that yet as far as -- we need to continue to the review and analysis. >> we need to continue to debate. nasa, and the epa's own website all point to human activities as the most likely cause ...