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Instances because it's not an active shooter situation, so those are two different situations. in a hostage situation you're really trying to buy time. so we call it you're trying to extend the runway and just give more time. and that's saemgessentially wha happens. why are you buying time? the hostage may give up. the hostage taker may give up. he may release a hostage as we saw earlier today. he may tire, or he may become more agitated. even if he becomes more agitated that's giving the fbi -- basically they were on the ground for about 8 hours or 9 hours -- a lot of time to figure out how t...

Happened. so why are you buying time? the hostage may give up, the -- the hostage-taker may give up, he may release a hostage as we saw earlier today. he may tire. or he may become more agitated, but even if he does that's given the fbi eight, nine hours, a lot of time to figure out how to get into the building and get the hostages out safely. those are precision operations, right? the boom, the entry, and the protection of the hostages. and a as we now know, the killing of the perpetrator. that's basically what happened behind closed doors, rightfully so. you have the continuing negotiation, ...

More agitated. even if he becomes more agitated that's giving the fbi -- basically they were on the ground for about 8 hours or 9 hours -- a lot of time to figure out how to get into the building and get the hostages out safely because those are precision operations, right? the boom, the entry and the protection of the hostages and as we know now the killing of the perpetrator. so that's basically what happened behind closed doors, rightfully so. you have the continuing negotiation, the buying of a long period of time and then the entry. what triggers it may either be -- it's either the hostag...

Leaders. is this a stealth extension of the u.s. war in afghanistan? >> i think it is just a recognition that we can get a balance. most of the fighting on the ground is being done by afghan police and military and they're bearing most of the casualties. i think america brings some very specific capabilities to do precision operations with afghan partners in many cases. but i think it goes back to confidence as well. afghans will do well if they believe they've got the kind of strategic partnership that president obama offered them in 2009 when he explicitly said we'll be your strategic partne...

Shocking. they knew, and they tipped us off, or they knew and they didn't want to tell us. you know, there's a couple of options there. but we really should reserve judgment, and the accusations that are being made, until we find out what the truth is with regard to what pakistan knew. but certainly it doesn't look good. it's hard for i think us in america to believe that he could build this kind of compound, live this close to a military school, and them not know about it. but, again, pakistan is much different than america. i can tell you that from just being there. >> and perhaps again the ...