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Population. they're trying to make sure the cities are shelled, that the people see this kind of shock and they want the city to capitulate. they want to surround it, shell it. they want to starve it. and the russians then will storm it. this is intentional. whether they use dumb bombs or precision weapons, it doesn't matter. >> the u.s. is sending a laundry list of new weapons to ukraine to try to help in this fight. what stands out most to you here? >> well, a couple of things. they're starting to send weapons, appropriate for urban con combat. yes, they're sending more javelins, yes, they'r...

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Targeting these locations, they very much are. >> 18 hospitals in the last two weeks have been targeted. it's hard to imagine how that is a mistake. admiral kirby, the pentagon spokesman saying that even their precision weapons don't appear terribly precise. there's no doubt that his m.o. is to shell civilians. he did it in chechnya, aleppo, backing up the syrian army there. he's unable to go in with his tanks, his soldiers and armored vehicles. instead, he bombs with longer range artillery. that's because the ukrainians are having success. when they move in, they can be held back. he's soften...

Bombs. they have used them exclusively. the only precision weapons they may be using are some of their missiles but they are not dropping them from aircraft. i don't know what hit. i don't conduct crater analysis. that's not my specialty but that crater in front of that hospital looks like something greater than a thousands pound exp explosive. it's either 1,000 pound bomb or some type of cruise police sill. -- missile. emphasis a cruise missile, it would hit the building an not land in the middle. >> it is interesting that zelensky did talk about well, possible cooling to nato and possibly in...

Know, a rocket or some sort of artillery hit a building right nearby him. it's important to just keep your eyes looking at this each time with fresh eyes to remind ourselves these are civilian structures. >> it is terrifying what they're doing. if you're a civilian living in that town, you're hiding out in the basement. you're scavenging for food and water. your children are frightened to death. and you have no control over it. something else has general hertling reported, that i do have precision weapons. if they could really target the defenses around mariupol and knock out the defenses, the...