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Class smith live from d.c. let me get your take on this conversation because you said in the beginning you broadly support this strategy. and it is hard to -- first of all, in order to have the debate on the policy, which we're not having at all, if you look at the videos and you shake the hands of the people that we are killing or innocent and then conclude that that's worth it, that's one thing. but we're not even in that step. do you think the cost is worth it? is it your feeling about the approach? >> i think the cost is exceedingly high. more than boots on the ground or drones in the air,...

But then you have the military drone program where there's more checks and balances where you use it on an active war zone. what's driving it? it's essentially a politically -- there's no cost to using it. you don't put boots on the ground and it makes it seem like there's no human cost to war. there's places where we're waging this massive kind of bombardment campaign. it's very difficult to put a faces to the victim. it's something that the obama administration has embraced. vice president biden was very much relying on drones. the pentagon program, as far as i can tell, has a budget. we kno...

He did take out osama bin laden and when he's been criticized by many on the left for continuing surveillance programs and related programs that were started under the bush administration. i mean, the left is unhappy with how he's done that. >> megyn, i'll address that -- megyn: we're going to go to lars on that. >> listen, here's the problem with that. if all you do is blow terrorists up on the ground with missiles from predator drones, you don't get any intelligence out of them. this president is incapable because he doesn't want to do the kind of extraction of information that actually prod...

But i thought the point of this country and its found iing in terms of the constitution was to create an environment that protected the people from the abusive government. that we had an abusive government in western europe that was preying upon us. no taxation without representation. we had this whole revolution. the constitution was designed to defend the population, right to bare arms, blah, blah, blah. now we have decided that that's blah, blah, blah, and we're going to give authority to the government to run with joy sticks predator drones on some sort of promise it's going to help find o...

Out false. we are going to secure the border with mexico. that means strategic fencing, it means thousands of national guard troops on the boarder until we can train up the border patrol to be there and it means predator drones and other technology so we have the realtime information to get to the officials in law enforcement so they can immediately respond to any activity they see on the boarder that is either weapons-related or drug-related or illegal immigration that's occurring on that border. americans want that border secure. the issue isn't about how much is it going to cost, the issue ...