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Is bringing and developing, been rot lots of hints that it's going to be a rico case, and those can be very sweeping with predicate acts that are criminal activities in many jurisdictions outside of georgia. so this could get -- this is going to be a big case. she's already named several other targets, and she's experienced handling rico cases, brought a very tough one a few years ago. she's also hired the foremost authority in georgia on rico cases. so i think this is moving ahead at full speed and i expect it will be a pretty devastating case that will include donald trump. >> john, the iron...

Low hanging fruit in the open really hit them hard, in the hopes that they will turn on people higher up the chain? . is there any chance giuliani would do that? >> that's possible. with a, do they take the predicate acts, which are other criminal activity and charge them against the organization that is part of the conspiracy. that would be the campaign and all of those who worked with the campaign and they would sweep them all in. now, often because they are much higher penalties on these rico cases. you get people that rudy is very used to doing, squeezing and getting them the help. i do no...

Make its way through. obviously, they were very convinced by what they heard and very ready to connect. let's talk about the racketeering count because that is one of the most interesting elements of this —— very ready to convict. correct me if i'm wrong, but this was a event, it was an enterprise.— was an enterprise. absolutely ri . ht, was an enterprise. absolutely right, enterprise _ was an enterprise. absolutely right, enterprise is _ was an enterprise. absolutely right, enterprise is at - was an enterprise. absolutely right, enterprise is at the i right, enterprise is at the word us...

Being withheld in exchange for the investigations so the argument would be, andrew, you still have nothing. >> well, i don't know that you have nothing. if you think about this in terms of a rico prosecution, you have to collect predicate acts to form the baes of a rico prosecution. so the request for assistance for the predicate act. he might not have as good of information about the withholding of the aid but that's okay because you have other witnesses that provide that testimony four. >> jim, the argument that will are real questions about the former vp and his son, the

Of it. now, there's another layer to vindman. yes, i know "the new york times" has reporting, andrew, that he had supposedly drafted a memo that sought to talk about the aid but he didn't put it in his opening statement and we were only told he would say sondland was holding a meeting, which would still qualify as a quid in this quid pro quo analysis. but he can't connect the aid to being withheld in exchange for the investigations so the argument would be, andrew, you still have nothing. >> well, i don't know that you have nothing. if you think about this in terms of a rico prosecution, you h...