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Switched the guideposts. so i came in with the question should he be on the forbes 400 to how much more than $100 million is he worth, and i didn't know it until i listened to the tapes and found them a few months ago. that's a great con man. >> listen, let's jump ahead and i want to play what james comey said last night about the president's behavior in office. listen. >> i think he has an emptiness inside of him and a hunger for affirmation i've never seen in an adult. and i'm not saying that to be funny. i think that he lacks external reference points. instead of making hard decisions by ca...

The new yorker podcast and public radio stations around the country. here a key moment from the interview. >> he said earlier today in an interview that you don't hate the president. you don't even dislike him. i'll let that pitch go by. >> my wife asked me the same question after she saw the interview. and the answer is i dislike many of the things he does. him as a person i actually -- it's sounding odd i feerl sorry for. >> how so. >> i think -- i've said this before it's a hard thing to say. but i think he has an emptiness inside of him and a hunger for affirmation i've never seen in an ad...

Reference points. instead of making hard decisions by calling upon a religious tradition or logic or tradition or history, it's all what will fill this hole. >> i've heard that before, him say that. i forget whether it's jake or the view or whatever it was. you look at your experience with john baron and with comey, you think cohen mey is right? >> i've met thousands of people, i've never met anyone as insecure as donald trump. even when i first interviewed him i was like i can't believe how insecure that man is. why is someone -- i've interviewed dozens of people don, why would someone take c...

And i'm in the saying that to be funny. i think that he lacks external reference points. and instead of calling -- making hard decisions by calling upon a religious tradition or logic or tradition or history. it's all what will fill this hole? david joins me with more on the interview. >> i thought it was interesting one of the things james comey said to you is that the president is partly driven by what he described as a hunger for affirmation. >> it's amazing that at once he has a hunger for affirmation and at the same time he is trying to put the arms on him in a which that comey describes ...

>> shannon: how much do you think things do factor in with voters? the republicans having the house, the senate, and the white house but not getting things done they promise the voters. >> it has an impact. the gentleman is correct and that technically referendum can only exist when somebody's name and on the ballot. donald trump's name was not on the ballot. it wasn't a referendum. people have reference points in politics especially today with things so polarized in people so negative about the other party. of course that becomes a factor in the choice for dogcatcher, much less for president....