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Demand of nato shrinking to what it was decades ago, although there is more flexibility, the u.s. and nato members have said they're willing to talk about missile deployments and different kinds of technical aspects that could potentially fit into that third demand. but he's digging in. and what was interesting, when you listen to putin, and also if you watch the dynamics of the press event he held with viktor orban, prime minister of hungary, it's clear putin is still very worried about covid. the two podiums were miles apart. in other footage of their meeting, they were practically shouting ...

The russian army, but that the ukrainians have been holding out. that their numbers, although they have fewer numbers, that their numbers are increased by their will, the fact that they're fighting to defend their homeland and he made it clear that he wants to have more talks. he said the key to that is getting through to vladimir putin. here is a little bit of that exchange from that press event. >> richard engel from nbc news. you just mentioned that you want to talk to vladimir putin. vladimir putin has so far not been willing to meet with you. do you have a message for him now that ukraini...

He told reporters that nato was supplying arms and humanitarian aid to ukraine. but he also said this. but nato is not going to be part of the conflict. so nato is not going to send troops into ukraine or move planes into ukrainian airspace. also, on a tour of nato border countries is the uk prime minister boris johnson. he's already been to poland where at a press event he was confronted by a ukrainian activist. britain guarantees our security under— britain guarantees our security under the _ britain guarantees our security under the memorandum so you are coming _ under the memorandum so y...

Join nato. "i appreciate and admire president zelenskyy's desire to join nato." she said that at a press event. we saw that we thought i was there the biden people must have this under control in some way we don't know about. they must have some secret back channel to putin. if they must've been fully assured that saying something so unbelievably inflammatory is not going to push putin to invade ukraine. we assumed that. how can it be otherwise? it's the united states, it's a real country. the idea that ukraine might join nato obvious what caused this crisis in the first place, whatever you th...

Heard? pull back the curtain a little bit for us. >> this was a surprise. this was a hastily arranged press event for a relatively small group of journalists here in kyiv. we weren't expecting this to happen. we didn't know if he would be meeting the president. we were called to a building in the center of the city, an administrative building and escorted to another location, and after going through some dark hallways, there he was. he came into the room and he was very relaxed. he appeared calm. he was in good spirits. he made some jokes and had some light conversation with the reporters in t...