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Thing to do. and number two, there's a bigger issue about white house transparency and secrecy in this interim period where his job has been underreview or consideration, they've start dodd more off camera briefings, which i'm a tv person so we want the camera in the room. >> i covered the white house, they don't always will have to have a camera in the room, but it is bad when an administration starts to retreat from public discles you're and public discourse. that's my speech. but when we start with the issue of sean spicer, we expect tim who step snoo some behind the scenes roll and someone...

The public. and he added, he believes james comey is a man of integrity. what do you make of that? >> i think we're seeing a lot of senate republicans lining up. some publicly like senator cornyn. but privately behind the integrity of this process. and you know, all along, i felt that senator mcconnell has really pressured behind the scenes for this to be an upstanding and forthright process. and you see senator burr working hand in hand with senator warner and they are going to get, they're determined to get to the bottom of this and have some kind of investigation that passes muster. so just...

Be in the west wing, in the residence for that matter. all week you've been covering hints of a staff shake up, perhaps then conventional washington says, no, you'd never do that on the eve of the first foreign trip. the white house press operation is trying to brief and gin up excitement for the foreign trip. there couldn't be more going on. >> that's absolutely right. i mean, you're hearing they are sort of hoping this foreign trip can be a bit of a reset. the president on the world stage can sort of establish himself in a different way and in some ways the bar is quite low for him. there is...

Fire staff members who have been deeply loyal to him. and then when it comes to general flynn, and frankly when it comes to the question of russia generally, this president repeatedly is far less tough than he is, even with our allies and sort of makes all of these exceptions on sort of every level and every issue that just keep on getting him into trouble. again, it's still sort of unclear where the "there" there is for the fire, it's a ton of smoke and it comes from his willingness to again and again defend general flynn and cut russia some slack. >> ashley, what it must be in the west wing,...

Otherwise would not. and i'm -- i think that's going to be the case this time again. >> i want to get a quick last word from anita and jonathan. anita first. in a few day's time, this relatively new white house press operation is going to find out about that volatile combination of long, overnight flights being in a different time zone, jet lag, overseas press corps and handling first overseas trip can be a real party. >> right. it's definitely -- this is the first trip. this is a home body president. he has not been out to the country very many times, mostly just to his own property. so this ...