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Talking to donald trump. so far doesn't seem like a like. >> shepard: there was a time like a month ago or a little longer than that where the white house had a structure. it always had. you knew who was in charge of everything, knew where to go to get answers or get stalled. you knew where to go. is that still the case? >> i don't think so. it's a team of rivals. there's a breakdown in terms of who is running the show, the power players, senior levels. from the press perspective, you don't have a communications director. you've had sean spicer that had opinion adversarial. you have donald tru...

Mayors are going to have a big role going forward, like de blasio in putting up their hands and warping trump if he should go in a certain direction they will throw up roadblocks to prevent people who aren't criminals from being deported. >> just talked to the santa fe, new mexico, mayor, he would be in that camp. looking at yo two, it's interesting from a press perspective, i know people at home may think why do you care if there's media following along with the president-elect. i remember at the washington corresponde correspondents' association in washington when the press wasn't allowed in...

That's not what fall of 2016 will be about. >> wait a second. you say it's pathetic. your side is loving this. liberal commentators love that we're in the summer of trump and in fact are trying to cast donald trump as the face of the republican party saying he may be more blunt and brash but he -- i'm not buying that. that he represents what republicans stand for. >> there's no question whatsoever the democrats are loving this. there's no question the clinton campaign is loving this because it takes attention away from other issues. i will say that from a press perspective, the press again con...

Is. i don't think that's what the summer of 2016 will be about. or the fall of 2016 will be about. >> wait a second. you say it's pathetic. your side is loving this. liberal commentators love it we're in the summer of trump. they are trying to cast donald trump as the face of the republican party saying he may be blunt and brass. but that he really represents what republicans stand for. >> there's no question whatsoever the democrats are loving this. no questions the clinton campaign is loving this because it takes attention away from other issues. i will say from a press perspective the press...

29-year-old hackerment i get -- hacker. i get why it is a fascinating story from a press perspective. i'm sure there will be a made for tv movie somewhere down the line. >> beta male against beta male and a jab at the lifetime channel. it reminds me of this. again, do i need to keep elaborating on the consequences of the ruling. cats and bunnies, where is that going to lead? the cat will just move on because that's what a cat does. but the bunny will be stuck with bunny broken heart. michelle, is this leadership we can believe in or not leadership we shouldn't believe in? >> snowden is stuck i...